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1 Introduction
**************
MakeCD has been carefully tested. This file tries to list all CD writers,
CD-ROM drives, CD-Rs and systems, that have been tested and tells you, if
they worked in our tests or in customer's tests or if they didn't.
If a CD writer or CD-ROM drive is listed as "tested", this does NOT mean,
that it works on ALL systems. On some systems, it might block the SCSI
bus or do any other bad things. Therefore, we have added a list of
systems which have been reported as "working" or "not working" at the end
of this file. READ THAT LIST, TOO!
Feel free to contribute your configuration. Send it to
Angela.Schmidt@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de
This file is Copyright (C) 1997 by Angela Schmidt. All Rights Reserved.
1.1 Known problems with MakeCD drivers
======================================
There are still some problems with some MakeCD drivers. They are listed
here.
- Using driver "PhilipsCDD2600":
o Philips CDD 2600
* Table of Contents (list of tracks) can only be read after fixing
the session. This is a bug or deficency in the firmware of the drive.
* Session information is not read properly yet.
* Reading tracks does only work from V2.0 on. The writer's
implementation of the SCSI read command used by MakeCD V1.3 is
broken.
* Due to a bug in the V1.3 drivers the invalid table of contents
is more fatal than it should have been: It prevents further
writing/fixation of CD-Rs with at least one track. Fixed in V2.0.
- Using driver "Plextor":
o Plextor CD-R PX-R24CS V1.50
* Table of Contents (list of tracks) can only be read after fixing
the session. This is a bug or deficency in the firmware of the drive.
* Due to a bug in the V1.3 drivers the invalid table of contents
is more fatal than it should have been: It prevents further
writing/fixation of CD-Rs with at least one track. Fixed in V2.0.
1.2 Contributing to this list
=============================
You should test your system carefully, before stating that it works. You
can use the following checklists to do that. Send your test results
to Angela.Schmidt@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de.
1.2.1 Testing your CD writer
----------------------------
If you want to test your CD writer, go through the following steps.
- What is the complete name of your CD writer? Have a look at the
settings window - when you select your CD writer as target, it displays
the whole version string. That's what we need.
- Note the name of the driver which you use for your tests, e.g.
"Yamaha". The name is being displayed in the settings window.
- Open the window that lists the contents of your CD-R, using the menu.
o Does it list all sessions?
( ) Yes ( ) No ( ) Not tested
o Does it list all tracks?
( ) Yes ( ) No ( ) Not tested
o Does it also list tracks of sessions that are not yet fixed?
( ) Yes ( ) No ( ) Not tested
- Try to write in test mode
o Was it successfull? (Is there _really_ _no_ _change_ to the CD-R?)
( ) Yes ( ) No ( ) Not tested
o Can you select the different writing speeds supported by the writer?
( ) Yes ( ) No ( ) Not tested
- Try to write an audio track
o Was it successful and does your CD player play this track?
( ) Yes ( ) No ( ) Not tested
o Did you _really_ write an audio track, or just in test mode?
( ) Really ( ) Test mode
- Try to write a data track
| Note, if you have written some audio tracks, you can fix the session
| and then *create* and write a data track and fix that session, too.
| Your CD will be a perfect audio CD in your CD player and if your
| filesystem supports multisession, it will be a perfect data CD in
| your CD-ROM drive, too. So you need only one CD-R for testing.
| However, you *must* create the data image especially for this track,
| because you can not transfer data tracks to multisession tracks.
| BTW: you need MakeCD 2.0 or better to write a correct data track
| into the 2nd session.
o Was it successful?
( ) Yes ( ) No ( ) Not tested
o Did you _really_ write a data track, or just in test mode?
( ) Really ( ) Test mode
- Try to fix a session and the CD-R. You have to open the window that
lists the contents of your CD-R (use the menu) in order to do that.
o Could you successfully fix the session?
( ) Yes ( ) No ( ) Not tested
o Could you successfully fix the CD-R?
( ) Yes ( ) No ( ) Not tested
o Did you _really_ fix your CD-Rs, or just in test mode?
( ) Really ( ) Test mode
- Now we are going to do some read tests. For these reading tests you
have to select the writer as source drive in the settings window.
Try to read a data track from your CD writer
o Could you successfully read this track?
( ) Yes ( ) No ( ) Not tested
- Try to read an audio track from your CD writer
o Could you successfully read this track?
( ) Yes ( ) No ( ) Not tested
- Your name
We would like to note your name (and maybe your email address) together
with this entry in our compatibility list. Please tell us, whether or
not we may do this.
1.2.2 Testing your CD-ROM drive (if any)
----------------------------------------
If you want to test your CD-ROM drive, go through the following steps.
- What is the complete name of your CD-ROM drive? Have a look at the
settings window - when you select your CD-ROM drive as source, it displays
the whole version string. That's what we need.
- Note the name of the driver which you used for your tests, e.g.
"ToshibaCD". The name is being displayed in the settings window.
- Add a track, select "CD-Track" as source and open the track requester.
o Does it list all tracks with their correct type? It usually will
NOT list unfixed sessions. That's NO bug!
( ) Yes ( ) No ( ) Not tested
- Try to read a data track
o Could you successfully read this track?
( ) Yes ( ) No ( ) Not tested
- Try to read an audio track
o Could you successfully read this track?
( ) Yes ( ) No ( ) Not tested
- Your name
We would like to note your name (and maybe your email address) together
with this entry in our compatibility list. Please tell us, whether or
not we may do this.
1.2.3 Testing your whole system
-------------------------------
If you have a system that runs fine with MakeCD, or a system that causes
SCSI trouble, and if your system not yet contained in this file, we are
looking forward for your test results in order to include them into this
list. We need the following information:
- Your Amiga
e.g. A3000, A4000, A1000, ...
- The OS version you use
e.g. OS 3.1
- Information about your SCSI system in the following form:
For each SCSI hostadapter which you are using
o Name and version of the SCSI device
(e.g. "scsi.device V40.12 (21.12.93)")
You get this string by typing "version full scsi.device" or
something equal in your shell
o SCSI settings
If you are using some special SCSI settings (Synchronous Transfer
Mode, Reselection, ...) note them here
o Name and version of all of the devices that are connected to this
hostadapter, e.g. "TOSHIBA CD-ROM XM-4101TA 2483 (09/05/93)". You
get this string by using the device requester of MakeCD 2.0 or
higher.
Please make sure to list as many *exact* information as possible -
especially for your SCSI device and your CD writer.
- Name
We want to note your name with that configuration. If you also want
your EMail address to be noted, write it down, too.
- Which version of MakeCD do you use for your tests?
MakeCD Version ..........
- Write a large amount of data (test mode is no problem).
Did you recognize any SCSI hangups or something like that?
( ) Yes ( ) No ( ) Not tested
- Do you know which SCSI settings you used for this test? (Reselection,
Synchronous Transfer Mode, ...)
( ) Yes, ..............................................
( ) No
- How many of your CD-Rs have had an "accident" and how many CD-Rs did
you already write?
o Number of CD-Rs with accident: ........
o Number of successfully written CD-Rs: ........
o Kind of the accident(s) (SCSI bus hangup, user error, power
lost, ...): ...................................................
...................................................
- Did you have to do any changes to your system, in order to make things
work?
( ) Yes, ..............................................
( ) No
- Your name
We would like to note your name (and maybe your email address) together
with this entry in our compatibility list. Please tell us, whether or
not we may do this.
2 CD writers
************
The following section lists all CD writers that have been successfully
tested with MakeCD. Please note, that sometimes a CD writer is not
compatible with a specific Amiga SCSI system. In this case, you might
have problems with that CD writer - e.g. it might block the SCSI bus,
etc. This is not the fault of MakeCD. See below for tested systems.
2.1 CD writers that have been tested by the authors
===================================================
Please note, that the fact, that a device is listed here, does *not* mean
that it works on *every* SCSI system. At the end of this file, we have
included a list of systems that have been tested by us or by customers.
READ THAT, TOO!
- Using driver "PhilipsCDD2000":
o Philips CDD2000
- Table of Contents: ....OK
- Test mode: ............OK
- Read data track: ......OK
- Read audio track: .....OK
- Write data track: .....OK
- Write audio track: ....OK
- Fix session: ..........OK
- Fix CD-R: .............OK
- Using driver "Yamaha":
o Yamaha CDR100 1.12 (06/17/96)
- Table of Contents: ....OK
- Test mode: ............OK
- Read data track: ......OK
- Read audio track: .....OK
- Write data track: .....OK
- Write audio track: ....OK
- Fix session: ..........OK
- Fix CD-R: .............OK
- Using driver "Plextor":
o Plextor CD-R PX-R24CS V1.50
- Table of Contents: ....Only after session is fixed. Firmware bug.
- Test mode: ............OK
- Read data track: ......OK
- Read audio track: .....OK
- Write data track: .....OK
- Write audio track: ....OK
- Fix session: ..........Requires MakeCD 2.0 or higher.
- Fix CD-R: .............Requires MakeCD 2.0 or higher.
2.2 CD writers that have been tested by customers
=================================================
Please note, that the fact, that a device is listed here, does *not* mean
that it works on *every* SCSI system. At the end of this file, we have
included a list of systems that have been tested by us or by customers.
READ THAT, TOO!
- Using driver "PhilipsCDD2000":
o Philips CDD2000
- Table of Contents: ....OK
- Test mode: ............OK
- Read data track: ......OK
- Read audio track: .....OK
- Write data track: .....OK
- Write audio track: ....OK
- Fix session: ..........OK
- Fix CD-R: .............OK
o HP SureStore 4020i
- Table of Contents: ....OK
- Test mode: ............OK
- Read data track: ......OK
- Read audio track: .....OK
- Write data track: .....OK
- Write audio track: ....OK
- Fix session: ..........OK
- Fix CD-R: .............OK
o Philips CDD522
- <no protocol available>
o Grundig CDR100 IPW
- <no protocol available>
o Mitsumi CDR 2401
- <no protocol available>
- Using driver "PhilipsCDD2600":
o Philips CDD2600
- Table of Contents: ....Only after session is fixed. Firmware bug.
- Test mode: ............OK
- Read data track: ......Requires MakeCD 2.0 or higher. Firmware bug.
- Read audio track: .....Requires MakeCD 2.0 or higher. Firmware bug.
- Write data track: .....OK
- Write audio track: ....OK
- Fix session: ..........Requires MakeCD 2.0 or higher.
- Fix CD-R: .............Requires MakeCD 2.0 or higher.
- Using driver "Yamaha":
o Yamaha CDR 100
- Table of Contents: ....OK
- Test mode: ............OK
- Read data track: ......OK
- Read audio track: .....OK
- Write data track: .....OK
- Write audio track: ....OK
- Fix session: ..........OK
- Fix CD-R: .............OK
o Yamaha CDR 102
- Table of Contents: ....OK
- Test mode: ............OK
- Read data track: ......OK
- Read audio track: .....OK
- Write data track: .....OK
- Write audio track: ....OK
- Fix session: ..........OK
- Fix CD-R: .............OK
- Using driver "Plextor":
o Plextor CD-R PX-R24CS
- Table of Contents: ....Only after session is fixed. Firmware bug.
- Test mode: ............OK
- Read data track: ......OK
- Read audio track: .....OK
- Write data track: .....OK
- Write audio track: ....OK
- Fix session: ..........Requires MakeCD 2.0 or higher.
- Fix CD-R: .............Requires MakeCD 2.0 or higher.
o Ricoh 1420C
- <no protocol available>
2.3 CD writers that are untested, but PROBABLY compatible with MakeCD
=====================================================================
- Using driver "PhilipsCDD2000":
o Plasmon CDR4220
o Plasmon RF4100
o Kodak PCD225
- Using driver "PhilipsCDD2600":
o HP SureStore 6020i
- Using driver "Yamaha":
o Yamaha CDR 200
o Yamaha CDR 400
o DynaTek Automation Systems CDM400
o MicroNet Technology CD Pro
o Procom Technology PCDR-4x
o Smart & Friendly CDR4000
o Smart & Friendly CDR1004
2.4 CD writers, that are not (yet) supported by MakeCD
======================================================
Of course, we can not guarantee to support any of these CD writers in
the future, but we will do our best. If you have SCSI specs for any of
these CD writers (specs, that describe how to access the CD writer),
please contact us.
- Using a JVC driver (specs available, but difficult to implement, because
many commands are not supported; we don't know yet if we ever will support
this CD writer)
o JVC XR-W2001
o Pinnacle RCD-1000
- Using the same or a different JVC driver (we don't know yet if
JVC XR-W2001 and JVC XR-W2010 are compatible or not, but we hope to get
the specs for JVC XR-W2010 soon)
o JVC XR-W2010
- Using a Sony driver (we don't have specs, only example sources => in
work, but may take some time)
o Sony CDU920S
o Sony CDU924S
o Sony CDU940S
o Microboards of America PlayWrite 2000
o Optima DisKovery 650 CD-R
o Smart & Friendly CDR1002
- CD writers, that might be compatible to something or might need a
special driver (we don't know and we don't have any specs - if you
have any further information, tell us!)
o Kodak PCD600 (Philips CDD2000 compatible? Try and tell us, please)
o Hightech CD-R 2000 (Philips CDD2000 compatible? Try and tell us, please)
o Ricoh RS1060C (Ricoh 1420C compatible? Try and tell us, please)
o Mitsumi CDR 2201
o Mitsumi CR-2200CS
o Pioneer DW-S114X
o Matsushita CW-7501
o Plasmon CDR-4240 (similar to Matsushita CW-7501)
o Plasmon CDR RF 4102
o Teac CD-R50S
o Pinnacle RCD 4x4 (similar to Teac CD-R50S)
o Pinnacle RCD 5040
3 CD-ROM drives
***************
The following section lists all CD-ROM drives that have been successfully
tested with MakeCD. Please note, that sometimes a CD-ROM drive is not
compatible with a specific Amiga SCSI system. In this case, you might
have problems with that CD-ROM drive.
3.1 CD-ROM drives that have been successfully tested by the authors:
====================================================================
Please note, that the fact, that a device is listed here, does *not* mean
that it works on *every* SCSI system. At the end of this file, we have
included a list of systems that have been tested by us or by customers.
READ THAT, TOO!
- Using driver "NecCD":
o <list is still empty>
- Using driver "SonyCD":
o <list is still empty>
- Using driver "ToshibaCD":
o TOSHIBA CD-ROM XM-4101TA 2483 (09/05/93)
- Table of Contents: ....OK
- Read data track: ......OK
- Read audio track: .....OK
- Using driver "CDROM" (no cdda reading):
o <list is still empty>
3.2 CD-ROM drives that have been successfully tested by customers:
==================================================================
Please note, that the fact, that a device is listed here, does *not* mean
that it works on *every* SCSI system. At the end of this file, we have
included a list of systems that have been tested by us or by customers.
READ THAT, TOO!
- Using driver "NecCD":
o <list is still empty>
- Using driver "SonyCD":
o <list is still empty>
- Using driver "ToshibaCD":
o Toshiba XM3501TA
- <no protocol available>
- Using driver "CDROM" (no cdda reading):
o <list is still empty>
4 Experiences with CD-Rs
************************
During our tests and during writing MakeCD, we had a lot of different
CD-Rs of a lot of different companies to burn. Some CD-Rs cause problems
with some CD-ROM drives (e.g. with Toshiba). Others don't cause these
problems. We tested CD-Rs of different companies with the Toshiba 4101,
which is known to have a lot of problems with some CD-Rs. Here are our
experiences and the experiences of other users with other CD-ROM drives.
We list the name of the CD-R, followed by the name of the person who
made the tests in parenthesis. Below that, we list two numbers on the
following format: "x/y". "y" tells you, how many CD-Rs of this company
we have tested. "x" tells you, how many of these CD-Rs fit into the
class, which follows these numbers.
I created four classes
- very good
No read errors at all.
- good
Not more than 1 read error in 100 MB. Read error must not be
reproducable after retrying.
- acceptable
Some read errors, but after a retry, the usually disapper, so you
can use the CD, although it is nasty.
- bad
A lot of read errors, which often even do not disappear after a
retry. The CD-R is quite unusable on the CD-ROM drive.
Please note, that a CD-R, that is classified as "bad" here, may work
very good on a different CD-ROM drive. That's why we list the CD-ROM
drive which we have used for our tests. If you have made different
experiences, email us! Also, we can not guarantee that CD-Rs, that are
listed as "good" or "very good" are good for your system, too!
Additionally, we list the name of the CD-ROM drive which we used for
our tests in parenthesis.
If you want to submit your experiences, please create some similar
entries and mail them to Angela.Schmidt@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de
4.1 CD-Rs that did not cause problems (tested by the authors)
=============================================================
- KAO CD-R 74 30002 (Angela Schmidt)
10/10 very good (Toshiba 4101)
- KAO CD-R74N-PR (Angela Schmidt)
1/1 very good (Toshiba 4101)
- Fujifilm CD Recordable 74 Min
3/3 very good (Toshiba 4101)
- Fujifilm CD Recordable For Professional Use 74 Min
1/1 very good (Toshiba 4101)
- altima CD-R74/74min (Angela Schmidt)
1/1 good (Toshiba 4101)
- Verbatim DataLifePlus CD-R Multi-Speed 74 Min. (Reorder #91224)
2/2 very good (Toshiba 4101)
4.2 CD-Rs that caused problems (tested by the authors)
======================================================
- START Lab "That's CD-R74Q" (Angela Schmidt)
4/4 bad (Toshiba 4101)
- Noname (Angela Schmidt)
6/19 very bad (Toshiba 4101)
9/19 bad (Toshiba 4101)
4/19 acceptable (Toshiba 4101)
- Philips Professional CD-Recordable 74 min (Angela Schmidt)
1/1 bad (Toshiba 4101)
4.3 CD-Rs tested by customers
=============================
- CIS Taiwan, 74min (Sven Hansen)
3/3 very very bad (Toshiba XM-3701, Yamaha CDR-102)
- Fujifilm CD Recordable, 74min (Sven Hansen)
1/1 good (Toshiba XM-3701, Yamaha CDR-102)
- Sony CDQ-74SZA (Matthias Egerland)
12/12 very good (Toshiba 3501, Yamaha CDR100, Plextor 6x, Pioneer 10x)
5 Systems, that worked fine
***************************
Here follows a list that lists all systems, that worked fine. Please
note, that this list has been created by a lot of different customers.
Some of them know their Amiga very well and know what they're writing -
others don't.
A3000, scsi.device V40.12 (21.12.93), Yamaha CDR100 1.12 (06/17/96)
-------------------------------------------------------------------
(tested by Angela Schmidt)
The following devices were connected to the same SCSI bus while trying:
QUANTUM PD210S 501C, IBM DORS-32160 WA0A. I tried to write a big image
file from the IBM harddisk to CD-R in 4x speed. Unfortunately, the system
was too slow, so I had to slow down to 2x speed. However, on a different
A3000 (scsi.device V40.20, Quantum Empire 1080S), it was fast enough! I
do not know yet why I cannot write in 4x speed on the other A3000.
A4000T, WarpEngine 40/40, Plextor CD-R PX-R24CSi V1.50
------------------------------------------------------
(tested by Angela Schmidt & Heinz Wrobel)
This system worked without any problems in several different
configurations.
A4000, Cyberstorm MK II 060/50, CyberSCSI V8.4, Philips CDD 2600 V1.07
----------------------------------------------------------------------
(tested by Christian Berger <chb@worldpower.owl.de>)
The Philips ROM is dated 21-Oct-96 and the whole system works fine. As
CD-ROM drive, a Toshiba XM-3601TA (ROM version 0175, 17.01.95) is used.
A1200, OS3.0, Blizzard 1240T/ERC, 1230scsi.device 8.2, Yamaha CDR-102
---------------------------------------------------------------------
(tested by Sven Hansen, hansen@rumms.uni-mannheim.de (until 31.3.97))
System works fine. Additional hardware are
Toshiba XM-3701TA (3055 11/01/95), DEC DSP3053LS X442000044087 and
EIDE WDC AC32100H (24.0). Reselection on. The EIDE hard disk was the
source drive. Yamaha firmware version is V1.01 (12/25/95).
Double-speed and on-the-fly writing not yet tested! Info will follow.
A4000, OS3.1, CyberstormMK-I 060/50, cybscsi.device V8.1, Yamaha CDR100
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
(tested by Matthias.Egerland@post.rwth-aachen.de)
The following devices were at the same SCSI bus while trying:
Seagate harddisk ST15150N, Quantum harddisk Lightning 730S,
Epson scanner GT-8500, SyQuest removable harddisk SQ3270S,
Toshiba CD-ROM XM3501TA, Hewlett Packard DAT-streamer HP35480A,
Yamaha CD-writer CDR100
6 Systems, that caused problems
*******************************
If you tried everything to get your system to work with MakeCD, but if
you were still unsuccessful, mail us, too. Beside the information which
you are supposed to mail is when you are successful (see above), mail an
exact description, which kind of error occurs.
SCSI using WD Chip, Plextor CD-R PX-R24CS V1.50
-----------------------------------------------
(tested by Angela Schmidt & Heinz Wrobel)
The WD Chip obviously causes problems with Plextor CD-R PX-R24CS V1.50.
However, if reselection is disabled, it seems to work. But since Plextor
uses only a very small buffer, it is "dangerous" to work without
reselection (watch the buffer display). If your source drive is connected
to a 2nd SCSI hostadapter, no problems are expected, though. Or, if you
get your data from a network (we were using Envoy 2.0/Ethernet and
received our data from an A4000T), you probably won't have problems, if
the network connection is fast enough. We were able to write in double
speed with Envoy/Ethernet. We tried the Plextor in the A4000T, too -
without such problems, since the A4000T is based on the NCR Chip and not
on the WD, like the A3000 or GVP boards. BTW: when using scsi.device
version 40.20 on a A3000 (with A3640), the machine crashed when accessing
the device. We could fix this by installing a new V43 beta scsi.device.
CyberSCSI or A3000 or GVP with GuruROM and Grundig CDR 100 IPW V1.20
--------------------------------------------------------------------
(tested by Christian Berger <chb@worldpower.owl.de>)
After 80 to 90 % of the writing process the error "append write error"
occurs. Philips CDD 2600 works fine on the CyberSCSI Amiga (not tested
under the other configurations). Seems to be a problem with the Grundig
CD writer.
A4000/40, Fastlane Rev. 2.2 mit ROM 7.120 an Philips CDD2600 (V1.06)
--------------------------------------------------------------------
(tested by Bernd Drefs <Broken_Systems@websurf.pcom.de>)
- Reading of audio data causes data errors after 16-20 minutes and
the drive makes noise (head positioning, change of the rotating
speed)
-> Philips hotline suggests to read with double speed. I could
not test this yet, though.
- Writing of data and audio tracks does not cause any problems, but
it is not possible to fix the CD-R at the end. Repair mode worked
without any problems.
- You cannot use MCDPlayer to play an audio CD that is inserted in
that drive.
- Hint of the Phase 5 hotline: switch off reselection at ALL devices.